SBC/CIR/047/2018
07th June, 2018Meeting with Chief Registrar and Immigrations Department
5th April, 2018, 3.00pm @ POJ
Issues | |
CR | Informed that the transfer of cases to Mahkamah PATI Semenyih (PATI) has been put on hold after receiving a letter from the SBC |
Tn. M. Bakri | Informed that the PATI has been renovated and the security measures has been improved
There is no issue on the safety and it is very safe for everyone. |
Tuan Saravanan | A lot of improvement on the upgrades has been done to the PATI in respect of safety |
Tuan Harizan | Explained to everyone present on the layout of the PATI
Informed that visiting hours will be in the afternoon and mornings will be for trials There will guards at every point and sufficient parking for everyone |
Tn. Saravanan | Visiting is only allowed after trials |
Dato’ Osman | In year 2011, there was allocation to renovate the PATI
Have installed second layer security, CCTV and electric fencing has been fixed Very secure with the second layer of fencing > |
Mr. Salim | Issue of convenience
Lawyers have to walk using the uncovered long way – very hot / rainy Senior lawyers will find it very difficult Better to have a walkway |
Chairman | 60-80 foreigners are charged in one day in Sepang Court with 2 judges
In PATI, only 1 judge, how long will it take to hear to all 60-80 cases |
Tn. M. Bakri | We intend to have it every day but at the moment not enough of staff
By June, 2018, it should be alright |
Chairman | In sepang Court, there is 2 courts but in PATI only 1
For bail, there is no banking facilities in Semenyih Lawyers have to pay in Bangi and revert to Semenyih |
Dato’ Osman | There is banking facilities in the new town of Semenyih |
Tn. M. Bakri | Lawyers can make payment in PATI |
Mr. Murugan | Not enough staff in PATI |
Chairman | Sepang court is an open court
It has CCTV and gazetted |
Mr. Salim | Hand phones are not allowed in PATI
Certain rules are imposed The Commandant is in full control, not the judiciary Lawyers have to register to enter There is no other exit – if anything happens |
Mr. Varghese Onny | The security is still the same
All the other courts are in the front of the depo except for PATI He then explained on the riot which took place previously There are improvements but the structure is still the same In Sepang, 3 judges only listens to 20 cases, under utilised We are not objecting, but in Sepang, all cases will finish early by 12pm |
Chairman | Only have 1 access to the PATI
Even for fire emergency – only have 1 access We cannot have a closed court, public must have access, must witness It is a controlled court |
Dato’ Osman | The way for lawyers is different now
More secure and safety is not an issue |
Mr. Murugan & Mr. Varghese Onny |
It is the same way |
Mr. Varghese Onny | The center way is for judges and court staff
The side way(yellow) is for lawyers and visitors |
Dato’ Osman | The yellow way is very safe |
Tn. Saravanan | The yellow way is very safe with the additional power fencing |
CR | Suggested to visit the PATI whether it is safe for the judiciary, lawyers and public |
Pn. Rozilah | There is a PATI court in Jln. Duta Court, better and comfortable
Previously ½ of the cases in Sepang was sent to Jln. Duta but not now 3 immigration departments are involved – KLIA-Depo KLIA, Putrajaya-Depo B.Jalil and Selangor – Depo Semenyih Selangor & KLIA cases are more If there is no trial, can have it at the depo only Unfortunately Sepang court is not suitable Suggested for Selangor to have it at the depo |
Court | Planned for 2 days in PATI
1st mention in PATI and lawyers can request for other courts |
Mr. Murali | So are we compromising the safety aspect? |
CR | We need to visit the PATI |
Mr. Salim | PATI - at least to follow the rules of court |
Tn. Saravanan | Hand phones are allowed now in PATI |
CR | Only 1st mention in PATI
Hearing must go back to court |
Mr. Salim | Lawyers need to register before entering the PATI – if need to meet the client
We do not want the immigration to set the rules |
Mr. Murali | To follow the court procedure |
Mr. Varghese Onny | Lets start with KLIA & Selangor immigration cases in PATI |
CR | Confirmed to visit PATI on 20th April, 2018, 3pm |
Meeting ended.
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Meeting with Chief Registrar and Immigrations Department &
Visit to PATI Semenyih
20th April, 2018, 3.00pm @ PATI Semenyih
Issues | |
CR | Welcomed everyone |
Tn. Hazizan | Presented a slideshow on the layout of the Depo and briefed everyone - There is a SOP and Contingency plan in place now for ‘Kelarian, Kebakaran, Rusuhan, Tebusan’ - There is also a UPK (Unit Pengurusan Krisis @ 20 staff) to handle these kind of situations - Always on standby - 1st backup before the police - UPK trains more than 4 times a year - There will be safety officers stationed to monitor the security - Need to register at the entrance (lawyers & public) - Only lawyers are allowed to bring hand phone - There will be safety officers on standby until the court finishes hearing - There are 2 exit (the same way to enter & at the back where connects to the main road) - Visitors are not allowed during hearing - The court will operate everyday (5 days) - Only 20 visitors allowed in a day |
CR | How many cases in 1 day? |
Tn. Saravanan | 100 to 150 cases |
After the slideshow presentation, the delegates made a tour - Visit to the court and watched a safety demonstration exhibited by the UPK |
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CR | Welcomed any issues to be raised
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Chairman | Thanked the judiciary and Immigrations department for the meeting and also on the improvements done to the Depo PATI Semenyih and the court - But the main concern is the security and Open court concept - On security, there is improvement, there is a 2nd exit at the back with Immigration officers to assist lawyers to exit if any riot happens - The immigration department has done it with what they have - But it is not conducive for the judiciary and lawyers |
CR | Does the riot previously happened during trial? |
Mr. Murugan | Yes, the FRU came and took the lawyers & judge out and not the Immigrations officers |
Immigration staff | RELA officers went back, not enough officers - Happened after office hours |
Mr. Varghese Onny | We were there when the riot happened - It happened in the morning around 10.30am |
Immigration staff | No, the next day we close and cordoned off the area |
Mr. Murugan | Please ask from an independent witness |
Mr. Varghese Onny | Please ask the court interpreter then; Mr. Abdullah Hakim |
Immigrations Officer | With the electric fencing and CCTV it is much safer now |
CR | We need to upgrade some of the things in the court |
Chairman | Open court - The commandant is the boss at the Depo - The sessions court is answerable to the commandant - Public must have access - The lawyers concerned about justice not being done |
Dato’ Osman | The public are allowed but must abide with the security procedures |
Chairman | It should be an open court but the commandant is in power - It has to be an open court in strict sense |
Dato’ Osman | All the other Depos have courts - The only difference is that in Depo PATI Semenyih the court is at the back - But public can still access |
Mr. Salim | The rights of lawyers will be infringed - We have to have a SOP in case the officers changes in future - It should be an open court - No need to register (for general cases) - The uncovered way for lawyers to enter is more than 300 metres - Ladies & pregnant women will find it very difficult |
Tn. Hazizan | Lawyers are allowed to use hand phones except at ‘Kawasan Larangan’ |
Mr. Salim | How can we improvise more |
Tn. Saravanan | For courts, the registration can be different |
Chairman | 2nd exit - To clear the 2nd exit (jungle) to the main road and to have a proper path Building – (gazetted area) - Must see as a one building - It must have a proper exit - Proper signage If it is an open court, it also must function like an open court |
Dato’ Jaafar | We have already maximise the safety measures - During trials, there will be officers in every stations - This DEPO is only for new foreigners - We already have a new SOP in place (safety) - Must register for monitoring reasons - We will provide different tag for lawyers/witness/public, etc - We have a better response time (police, fire department, etc.) - Already in plan to improvise |
Dato’ Nazri | Immigration have done their work - Safety measures have been improvised |
Immigration | All the safety & rules at all the DEPOs will be checked from time to time - There is a checklist for all DEPOs - Have regular drills & contingency plan - DEPO Semenyih was last checked in June 2017 – it is safe - Can have an open court in PATI Semenyih |
Chairman | What is wrong with the Sepang court? |
CR | The CJ instructed immigration cases to be moved to Depo Semenyih - Assured there will be more improvement at PATI Semenyih |
Meeting ended with light reception